after this last conversation with my father, i had almost decided to completely just not have any contact at all.
but then realized i still need to go through my parents to ever talk with my little sister.
if i'm feeling up to any discussion at all with them, it's going to be short.
They're all good questions free.
I think, however, that you know the kind of answers you will get already:
we do stand up to critism when its bible based.
we must obey jehovah/fds, he/they say not to speak to apostates.
But............., I do like your second question: with the clarifier " someone born-in". That one is likely to make them woffle a bit more than normally.
Good luck with your leaving plans.
jlp
i can't believe i'm actually posting here.
i've been lurking for a while and i've been having doubts about this being the "truth" for years and sometimes feel really stuck and hopeless about my situation.
i'm married to an elder (who is 110% jw) and i was for the most part raised in the "truth".
Welcome sickandtired.
I get the impression that, whilst not against the principle of being a jehovahs witness, you are beginning to doubt that it IS the truth, as we were all led to beleive, and therefore, you are wondering if you are not just wasting your life?
You say that your husband is your best friend. Perhaps you would prefer spending your time differently together?
Understanding the real reason why you feel like you do, might well help you decide on what course to take next.
I wish you well on your search.
jlp
so, even thought i faded more than a year ago, i still had my wt "library" w me, i am talking about the actual books!
dozens of them... well, this past week i have been thinking and talking to some (jw) friends and i realized i dont ever want to go back to that mess... so, i threw every single one of those books in the dumpster about 15 minutes ago... and it felt great!!
i had 3 boxes of books, i mean trash.... and it while throwing in the dumpster i promise, i felt like i was throwing my anger with it... i feel renew... ready to start the 1st day of the rest of my life!!
It does feel good, Free!!.Enjoy.
Hortensia: I agree with you.
why the set procedures for ones that are df'd when attending meetings?.
(i think i know the answer to this but i look forward to your thoughts first).
I was a naughty boy at school, just once.
The head made me stand in the hall all afternoon with my hands on my head, so I would be ashamed and to scare the other kids too.
I think its the same kind of mentality.
that's the question that i have been thinking about all day for some reason.
it's 5:30 am and i been in and out of sleep all night.
let me go into further detail to explain.
My mother is aged. I am starting to ask myself if I will go to the service or just the graveside.
If I go to the service, I'll have to take something to keep me calm. I dont want to make a
scene but I know I'll feel just as you did.
just minutes ago i returned from the city market and i passed on the same street as my ex-kh.
i was driving and i was listening loudly to my dying bride.
i opened the side-window.
Caminante is demonised too.
He speaks in tongues.
i've had visits and encounters from 6...oops, no, 7 individual...no, wrong, it was 9...9!
chance encounters with individual jw's today!
well, 7 were chance encounters, 2 actually came to visit me on purpose.
It MUST be jehovahs hand. He REALLY wants you back.
just found out that with any luck i will be a father... again... by this time next year!!!
i dont have any contact with my "family" anymore so i had to share :) :).
Congratulations to you both.
jlp
i had a discussion with my jw friend during which i asked her why a rational person should believe the world is run by demons.
in response, she questioned the existence of objective rationality.
she said that we should "agree to disagree.
Oh dear. Friendships with jws is always complicated.
Their shunning = not speaking if you pass them in the street, ignoring of you totally etc.
You are more reasonable. You dont have to go that far.
Just tell her that you no longer wish to discuss the subject, but ask her if you can continue to be normal friends, who like hanging out etc.
Likelyhood is, she'll shun you. But at least she'll feel awkward. It might make her think
that was the reasoning in a recent public talk at my hall.. namely: if the end of the world happened in 1975, then loads of people who had not yet converted or been born would have been destroyed, or never existed, so therefore we should be happy that yahweh was patient and armageddon hasn't come yet.. .
anyone else see like 5 blaringly horrible problems with this reasoning?.
#1 that will never stop being true!
Hi Lore.
I started a thread about this recently.
If A had come in 1975, god would have only had 4 billion to destroy.
Today he has 7 billion.
This brothers reasoning is absurd. 3 million more witnesses saved.
3 billion more to suffer distruction.
Why not have bought the big aA in 1975 and already have had 35 years of wonderful peace and lion petting?
PS sorry Lore. I've just read the rest of your thread and you already said that. I've just got up, after 4 hours sleep, so I'm a bit bleary eyed.
Peace. jlp
